Excel-style DDE Requests

Despite being over 2 decades old Microsoft’s Dynamic Data Exchange (DDE) in Windows still seems to be in use for Windows IPC by a not insignificant number of companies. At least, if the frequency of DDE questions in my inbox is anything to go by [1][2].

Earlier this year I got a question from someone who was trying to use my DDE Command tool (a command line tool for querying DDE servers) to get data out of the MetaTrader 4 platform. Finance is the area I first came across DDE in anger and it still seems to be a popular choice there even to this day.

Curious Behaviour

The problem was that when they used the ddecmd “request” verb to send an XTYP_REQUEST message to the MetaTrader 4 DDE Server (MT4) for a symbol they always got an immediate result of “N/A”. As a workaround they tried using the “advise” verb, which sends an XTYP_ADVSTART, to listen for updates for a short period instead. This worked for symbols which changed frequently but missed those that didn’t change during the interval. Plus this was a dirty hack as they had to find a way to send a CTRL+C to my tool to stop it after this short interval.

Clearly the MetaTrader DDE server couldn’t be this broken, and the proof was that it worked fine with Microsoft Excel – the other stalwart of the finance industry. Hence the question posed to me was why Excel appeared to work, but sending a request from my tool didn’t, i.e. was there a bug in my tool?

Reproducing the Problem

Given the popularity of the MetaTrader platform and Microsoft Excel the application of Occam’s Razor would suggest a bug in my tool was clearly the most likely answer, so I investigated…

Luckily MetaTrader 4 is a free download and they will even give you a demo account to play with which is super welcome for people like me who only want to use the platform to fix interop problems in their own tools and don’t actually want to use it to trade.

I quickly reproduced the problem by sending a DDE request for a common symbol:

> DDECmd.exe request -s MT4 -t QUOTE -i COPPER
N\A

And then I used the DDE advise command to see it working for background updates:

> DDECmd.exe advise -s MT4 -t QUOTE -i COPPER
2.5525 2.5590
2.5520 2.5590
. . . 

I also tried it in Excel too to see that it was successfully managing to request the current value, even for slow ticking symbols.

How Excel Requests Data Via DDE

My DDE Command tool has a nice feature where it can also act as a DDE server and logs the different requests sent to it. This was originally added by me to help diagnose problems in my own DDE client code but it’s also been useful to see how other DDE clients behave.

As you can see below, when Excel opens a DDE link (=TEST|TEST!X) it actually sends a number of different XTYP_ADVSTART messages as it tries to find the highest fidelity format to receive the data in:

> DDECmd.exe listen –s TEST –t TEST
XTYP_CONNECT: 'TEST', 'TEST'
XTYP_CONNECT_CONFIRM: 'TEST', 'TEST'
XTYP_ADVSTART: 'T…', 'T…', 'StdDocumentName', '49157'
XTYP_ADVSTART: 'TEST', 'TEST', 'X', '50018'
. . .
XTYP_REQUEST: 'TEST', 'TEST', 'X', '50018'

After it manages to set-up the initial advise loop it then goes on to send a one-off XTYP_REQUEST to retrieve the initial value. So, apart from the funky data formats it asks for, there is nothing unusual about the DDE request Excel seems to make.

Advise Before Request

And then it dawned on me, what if the MetaTrader DDE server required an advise loop to be established on a symbol before you’re allowed to request it? Sure enough, I hacked a bit of code into my request command to start an advise loop first and the subsequent DDE request succeeded.

I don’t know if this is a bug in the MetaTrader 4 DDE server or the intended behaviour. I suspect the fact that it works with Excel covers the vast majority of users so maybe it’s never been a priority to support one-off data requests. The various other financial DDE servers I coded against circa 2000 never exhibited this kind of requirement – you could make one-off requests for data with a standalone XTYP_REQUEST message.

The New Fetch Command

The original intent of my DDE Command tool was to provide a tool that allows each XTYP_* message to be sent to a DDE server in isolation, mostly for testing purposes. As such the tools’ verbs pretty much have a one-to-one correspondence with the DDE messages you might send yourself.

To allow people to use my tool against the MetaTrader 4 platform to snapshot data would therefore mean making some kind of small change. I did consider adding various special switches to the existing request and advise verbs, either to force an advise first or to force a request if no immediate update was received but that seemed to go against the ethos a bit.

In the end I decided to add a new verb called “fetch” which acts just like “request”, but starts an advise loop for every item first, then sends a request message for the latest value, thereby directly mimicking Excel.

> DDECmd.exe fetch -s MT4 -t QUOTE -i COPPER -i SILVER
COPPER|2.6075 2.6145
SILVER|16.771 16.821

Hey presto it now works!

This feature was released in DDE Command v1.6.

 

[1] This is a bit of artistic licence :o), they are not a daily occurrence but once every couple of months wouldn’t be far off. So yes, “DDE Is Still Alive & Kicking”.

[2] Most recently it seems quite a few people are beginning to discover that Microsoft dropped NetDDE support way back in Windows Vista.